The Great Phosphorus Myth Exposed!

6 Jul, 2009  Hydroponics Articles

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  1. Andrew said

    am July 6 2009 @ 7:43 pm

    Once Again,Great Info Big Mike!!!!!!!

    I Need Kushie Kush!!!!!!

  2. ryan huserik said

    am July 6 2009 @ 8:10 pm

    I have never seen Kushy Kush before. Is this a new product that hasnt made it over to the states yet? Also, Is Bud Candy going to replace carbo load completly and at what should it be used in moderatly heavy feeding with the 2+ program if you are still using carbo load? Thanks for the years of quality products.
    Ryan

  3. Will benson said

    am July 6 2009 @ 10:54 pm

    You guys do loads of PR. Great work.

  4. Adam said

    am July 6 2009 @ 11:49 pm

    Thank you so much for the info you provide ,this invaluable info for me, I use to be a dedicated soil grower(orgainc) but I’m in the middle of switching to hydroponics for better control and faster results and with all the help from the hydroponics secrets series and your help BIG MIKE i feel i’m not jumping in blindly (but have learned you can’t do to much research), once again i cant thank you enough ! MUCH APPRECIATED!…Adam.

  5. Allan said

    am July 7 2009 @ 9:14 am

    da iawn,
    found this one very handy, ta Mike

    by the way, da iawn means well done in Welsh

  6. Chad C said

    am July 7 2009 @ 10:21 am

    Everything I thought I knew was just turned upside down and thrown out the window. ADVANCED is the real deal!
    Chad

  7. Anthony said

    am July 7 2009 @ 1:25 pm

    Tomato “Tomatoes”? nice

  8. Wrenfield said

    am July 7 2009 @ 6:47 pm

    is there a pdf file on an exact nutrient schedule. I shure hope so I am using fax farm right now, and would like to make the switch over to advanced nuts.

  9. Jeannie said

    am July 8 2009 @ 1:14 am

    Friggin Awesome!!! I Love You Man!!!

  10. andrew said

    am July 8 2009 @ 7:24 am

    I think you need to expand on the study just a little more. I’m curious how the plants you sent for analysis were grown (how do you know that plants you sent for analysis had the optimal levels of N-P-K and micro-nutrients)?
    (My first thought was ‘well if you grow the plants with your own fertilizers then of course they are going to have the same nutrient levels as your products give… but that can’t be right.)

    How did you ensure that your plant samples had the optimal levels of nutrients?

    Thanks and keep up the good work.

  11. Tonyton said

    am July 8 2009 @ 10:21 am

    I have been using advanced nutrients for about five years and each and every time I grow I get fanominal results. I am a organic grower so when the all organic regiment can out I hoped on it. The results were outstanding. To learn about this is truly a blessing. thanks for the knowlege big Mike. keep doing what your doing, and thats telling the truth.

  12. Redbird said

    am July 8 2009 @ 1:42 pm

    Big Mike knows that science always wins over bullshit! Big Mike keepin it real!!

  13. bob said

    am July 8 2009 @ 1:58 pm

    yes, i’m not finding the prices for budfactor x and the system bundles. i am guessing about $400 for the one that includes bud factor x

  14. NEIL said

    am July 8 2009 @ 7:02 pm

    GREETINGS BIG MIKE, KEEP UP THE STRAIGHT TALK & FACTS. POINT OUT THE BULLSHIT THANX

  15. csu said

    am July 9 2009 @ 6:45 am

    good report, ive never seen such a complete analysis of micro and marco nutrients. id really like to see 3 independent reports, and compare results for accuracy.

    the fact that they analyzed 3 or 4 different strains, with relatively similar results for NPK, does validate their results to some extent.

    im wondering how complicated the testing procedures are, especially when they talk about thc, cbd and cbn percentages.

  16. Mauve Farmer said

    am July 9 2009 @ 12:32 pm

    Yo Big Mike! love your products!! but there’s alot of sh-t talking going around about your kushie kush nutrient, You should show everyone a tissue sample of the intake of the N_P_K to shut these people up! i’ve had your back but i think they need to hear it from the big guy!! let them have big mike!

    keep the goods coming!!
    -Mauve

  17. good1 said

    am July 9 2009 @ 2:54 pm

    Please send me the system allready!!!!

  18. knowboddy said

    am July 9 2009 @ 8:27 pm

    I knew it!

    I’ve been saying it all along but no, people wanna believe whatever gives them the best excuse to hate whomever it’s most popular to hate. Like the jacka$$es hating on Starbucks because they’re big and successful but they don’t take any time to see how much charity and human rights work the big mean S-bux does.

    I keep tellin’ ‘em that Advanced Nutrients is doing more research than any other three nute companies combined but they just gotta hate! Losers.

    Awesome work proving them wrong Big Mike!

    BTW, you might want to put up some clarified rules for your Million Dollar Challenge. The retards out there are getting it all wrong. (They’re not really paying attention to anything you say anyway, they’re just looking for ways to twist your words.)

  19. jackhammer said

    am July 11 2009 @ 11:00 am

    Big Mike,
    GOOD JOB !!! backing up what you say with research and docs to back it up.
    Statistics are thrown about like confetti but few back it up with hard copies of stats.
    I’m now a true fan and user of Advanced Nutes.
    Keep up the research!!!
    Jackhammer

  20. David said

    am July 11 2009 @ 10:23 pm

    I was looking everywhere for the Growers Series from Erik that he talked about in the MP3 File that I was able to download. He said that if you go to the http://www.hydroponicssecrets.tv there will be a list of downloadable to MP3 files and I can’t find it. Can you help me? Also I have been looking everywhere to find the AN Series that you guys are advertising. I can’t seem to find the combo packs that your adds are talking about. It’s also not on the regular AN site to find a plce to buy your packages. Could you help me find a outlet that I can buy these packages from to start using the full line? Thanks/

  21. John said

    am July 12 2009 @ 2:36 pm

    not disagreeing just feel like a couple things need to be stated, the gas chromatography tests of tissue samples would show what’s IN the tissue NOT what the tissue is USING, just because there’s lots of N in the tissue doesn’t mean it needs lots of N, in fact the inverse could be possibly, maybe the plant isn’t using that much N so it’s building up in the tissue due to lack of use and maybe the low levels of phosphorus only means the plants are using the phosphorus, a key role of phosphorus is in root development so maybe the levels are higher is the root zone, did you take tissue samples of the root zone? or just buds and foliage

  22. Chemo said

    am July 13 2009 @ 11:43 am

    Good info Big Mike. Can you send me that info that you talked about in the “No more PPM, PH measurments video”
    I posted a comment on that vid but have yet to get that info you promised.

    Thanks again for those studies.

  23. nativeking said

    am July 14 2009 @ 5:44 am

    i’ve posted a comment on your big fat bad ass buds video and havent got the formula
    thanx for making advanced nutrients your product is ace dont forget to send me the formula

  24. andrew said

    am July 14 2009 @ 1:51 pm

    Maybe the phosphorus was low because the plant uses up the phosphorus quickly!?!

    Maybe the plant tissue samples aren’t representative of the correct proportions that the plant actually needs!?!

    If the plant needs that little phosphorus, why did you recently change the formula of Big Bud from 0-1-4 to 0-2-4, where the former seems to better reflect your nice graph?

    It would be nice if someone that maybe understands the study a little better (maybe with a background in science… Eric) could explain it more thoroughly. As it stands not enough info is provided to understand the study… (although that evidently won’t stop some people from being amazed at the first sight of a bar chart). I’m not a ‘hater’ and I do use AN products but I’m not impressed by this study until it’s explained properly.

  25. Alonso Crazy4pot said

    am July 15 2009 @ 1:32 am

    Great job ! You’re definitely heading worldwide growers straight to champion
    crops !! Keep doing what you’re doing!! thank you very much for all the tips!

  26. admin said

    am July 15 2009 @ 2:04 pm

    Replying on behalf of Big Mike, here’s Erik’s two cents on why a lot of fertilizers people are using in the bloom phase may not be that well suited for indoor crops:

    Presently, some indoor growers are applying too much phosphorous because the recommendations for applications and formulations they are using from have been based on outdoor field agriculture practices, which simply don’t apply directly to indoor gardens. In nature the soil is very deep, and roots do not occupy the entire body of soil as they do in containers, beds or systems found with indoor gardens. Phosphorous leeches from the rootzone in natural soils quickly, washing away from the contact zone with plant roots, as it drains with water further into the depths of the earth. To ensure a healthy supply of phosphorous, outdoor conventional field agricultural growers do a sort of “over-application” of phosphorous, because it has been determined that much of it will be quickly leeched away from the plant roots; what remains at any given time can be taken up by the crop. From this, we can learn that excessive “P” values in our N-P-Ks are not necessary for indoor growers, where Phosphorous maintains a high level of contact within the root zone of plants grown in artificial soils and in containers, beds and systems commonly found with intensive indoor growing environments.

    Now what affects can excessive Phosphorous levels have on crops? Firstly, excessive levels of Phosphorous can create nutrient imbalances in the root zone, and consequently inside the plant. This creates a form of stress in the plant which can diminish yield potential and increase the plant’s susceptibility to problems such as insects and diseases. Conversely, it can also be said that a slight stress induction from excess Phosphorous may have some benefits in the late bloom/ ripening phase as the plants reach maturity.

  27. andrew said

    am July 22 2009 @ 12:14 pm

    Thanks Erik… always helpful… that is a clear explanation of why other fertilizer companies put excess Phosphorous in their products…

    Could Erik also be able to comment on the study laid out here by Big Mike?
    Specifically, how did this study determine the optimal level of nutrients for a MJ plant?

  28. Gx said

    am August 19 2009 @ 4:57 pm

    Isn’t bloom booster pro a 0-50-30 product?

  29. admin said

    am August 21 2009 @ 4:27 pm

    yes, and it was intended to compete with similar NPK products. We made Big Bud first, because we knew it was better. However, when we were starting out as a comapny, it took some time for the word to get out to growers following the same-old-methods that they would do better by using the better researched and indoor grow proven Big Bud lower P, higher K blend with the unique bio-active L-Amino Acid profile.

  30. Mauvefarmer said

    am September 9 2009 @ 5:06 pm

    Just picked up kushie kush when it first came out off line! this stuff ROCKS!! fellow advanced users. go to

    http://www.advancednutrientsonline.com/index.php

    and order a bottle!

    NO you don’t have to be a med patient
    YES you will be able to get it at you local hydro store
    YES it does what it says!!

    GO BIG MIKE KEEP IT COMIN!!

    Mauve

  31. Common Sense said

    am September 24 2009 @ 2:23 pm

    Umm, yea, right. Your phosphorous myth is BS. Your testing methodology was absolutely flawed, and quite unscientific. Your marketing is weak at best. You say you don’t need so much phosphorous but yet you offer products LOADED DOWN WITH PHOSPHOROUS.

    Phosphorous is a main base in DNA. Your levels of phosphorous are absolutely unrealistic. Try the same test with truly DRY material so you don’t have water skewing your results. Any real scientist with any Chromatography experience knows that.

    ~Oaksterdam University Student Body

  32. admin said

    am September 25 2009 @ 1:11 pm

    To: “Common Sense”

    Your statement is quite incorrect.

    Specifically, what methodology are you referring to?

    The difference is, Advanced Nutrients programs contain the correct and balanced amount of phosphorous in them.

    With 3+ being the new 2+ with a lot of our satisfied, and prospering customers our products can speak for themselves. Our research efforts have helped to make this possible.

  33. black hattitude said

    am October 16 2009 @ 9:02 am

    Hi,

    thanks for the great quality of your blog, each time i come here, i’m amazed.

    black hattitude.

  34. Clear it up please said

    am January 15 2010 @ 4:54 am

    To accept a test like this, we need to know how it was done.

    As far as I understand, leafs were sent in the lab.

    -what part of the plant were they taken?
    -how many of them?
    -under what conditions were the plants cultivated?
    -were any other parts of the plant tested (stem, flower, roots, buds…)

  35. Brian said

    am March 11 2010 @ 5:39 pm

    WOW! You just gave away the secret recipe! Very unselfish of you. This is an important key to the sucess of farming THOSE tomatoes :-). Keep up the great work Big Mike.

  36. G spot said

    am March 12 2010 @ 2:21 pm

    God damn. i just spent a butt ton of money on the fox farm bloom trio nutrient pak (open sesame, beastie blooms, and cha ching) all with a over 45% phosphorous rating. well now i know i should of gone with advanced nutrients. fml

  37. Scott Abramson said

    am March 21 2010 @ 7:49 pm

    Wow! You really came clean with the gas-chromatography. I have been waiting for that for years! I appreciate you coming clean with all this information. It helps me justify spending all that extra money on your products when I KNOW why. You are so far ahead, THERE IS NO COMPETITION. Your philosophy of honesty and keeping with the best ingredients no matter the cost has me sold. Keep it up. You have another loyal customer.

  38. perry said

    am June 2 2010 @ 2:38 pm

    man i love advance nurtrients and my plants look and taste so much beeter

  39. Rodney said

    am July 11 2010 @ 3:59 am

    Way to go BigMike, throwing out the junk and replacing with Advanced Nuit’s! My plants are already telling me how much better they like them!

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